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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 13:00   Post title : Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III
 
I'm considering getting a Tbird Storm in a few months, but something on the Triumph website caught my attention the other day... in the UK, the Tbird Storm and the Rocket III Roadster are almost identically priced! So I'm thinking that I would be a fool not to consider getting an R3 instead as it's basically more bike for the same money. Just wondering why you guys went for the Tbird instead of the R3? I know there are slow speed size/weight concerns with the R3, but as I'm about 6'3" and nearing 20 stone, I think I could handle it probably. The way I see it, here are the pros for each one.

Tbird Storm

* Looks better (in my opinion)
* I imagine it sounds better (I like the deep thud-thud big twin sound)
* Easier to handle in slow traffic I suspect
* Fuel economy
* Insurance probably cheaper (as a new-ish rider living in Central London, my insurance costs will be epic either way!)
* Less of a mid-life crisis cliche than the R3!!

Rocket III Roadster

* Mmmmm.... torque
* Long distance comfort
* I imagine it would carry a larger weight... my girlfriend and I, both being extremely, uh, 'cuddly' are probably too big for 2-up riding. But I imagine we'd be closer to achieving it on the R3 (with some suspension upgrades) than we would on the Tbird.
* Lots of loverly torque!!!

I suppose I should test ride both of them, was planning on test riding the Tbird in the next few weeks anyway. My only worry with test riding both of them is that I'll end up picking the Tbird as the more practical choice, but will then be forever haunted by memories of the torque I could have had with the R3!

What do you guys think? Which is the better bike? Should I test both or keep myself living in blissful ignorance of what the R3's torque is like?

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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 13:47   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: loggamatt)
 
Your comparison of the two bikes is exactly the way I see it too, I did buy a storm & although I do really like the bike I still sometimes wonder if I would have liked the rocket better. One other thing you might want to consider is the availability of after market performance parts or kits, although the rocket needs them much less than the storm due to being considerably more powerful to start with its actually got much much more power upgrade options than the thunder bird storm which so far has very little available, I know this because during my search for more power I have seen many things from companies like Carpender racing & the like for the rocket but nothing for the storm. Due to your size you've eliminated one of the rockets negatives straight away, low speed maneuvering, seat height etc, sorry I couldn't be of more help & please let us know on what you decide.

 
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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 14:05   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: Agent86)
 
Had the R3,bought it in 2006,great rig.Did 50,000 miles on it and kept it upright all the time which was tough sometimes since all of those miles was two up.
The ideal really is to have both bikes...ha ha.
I am 6ft 3' also and had no probs with low speed handling,but if you screw up its a handfull.
Traded the R3 on a TBird SE and am enjoying the rider experience that I think the R3 lacked,I mean it had truckloads of torque and accleration,but you get tired (and broke) really quickly of feeding it new tires and brake pads.

I guess if we down here in NZ we had some decent speed limits and roads one could probably enjoy the rocket more,but at 60mph you dont really get to use the grunt.
Anyway this probably doesnt help,but all the best with which ever way you go.

 
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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 15:07   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: loggamatt)
 
I owned a Rocket III and loved it, but it is a handful if you had to back it up on a gravel or sand road. It handled very well al speed and the brakes were excellent. Of course the power was overwhelming. On a long haul, single or two up, it was quite comfortable.

I fell in love with the first announcement of the TBird and immediately put a deposit on one. Since I'm really not riding distances it just seemed like it would be more fun to ride, and it is. As much as I liked the Rocket I wouldn't go back unless I was going to start riding long distances again.

 
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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 15:16   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III
 
Haha... also posted this question in the R3 forum and they're all busy talking about how big their penises are now (only joking, they have been very helpful too!)

Being male, I can't imagine I'll test ride two bikes then say to the dealer "I'll take the less powerful one please!", so I suspect that just test riding the R3 will make my mind up.

I'll need to do a bit of research on running costs though. I know the MPG will be worse on the R3, but I'll have to find out how much worse. Also, I hear rear tyre costs can be a pain (wait, who said 'darkside'??)

But I think the killer for me could be insurance costs. I've only been riding a year and so only have 1 year's NCB, plus I live in Central London which may well be the most expensive insurance area in the universe. I've just hit my 30s which will help, but I'm still fearful it'll be uneconomical. I'll do some insurance quote comparisons between a Tbird and an R3 and see what the difference is... if I can't afford the insurance I won't bother test riding one as I won't want to know what I'm missing

Thanks for the advice guys!

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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 16:37   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: loggamatt)
 
R3, in my mind, is not the ideal bike for central London. Also, if you have only one year of riding under your belt, might be a bit early for the roadster. The bird is likely to be more forgiving to the probable screw ups:)



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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 16:50   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: Alegas)
 
Screw ups? What screw ups??

This is a fair point... which is why I wasn't initially looking at the R3. But pricing really is making me scratch my head over it.

The latest oddity being that I just ran some sample insurance quotes through a price comparison website and it looks like the R3 will cost me ??200 less to insure than the Tbird Storm! Explain that one...

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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 18:28   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: loggamatt)
 
Also consider this. The R3 has been almost plagued with serious issues since day one, and i think they are still rather problematic if not as much as initially. They have had major transmission problems, drive shaft problems and more. At one R3 forum there was a long multi page thread about some of them with lots of people jumping in to describe thier own personally horror story. Yet when i asked about that when i was considering a R3 i was lambasted for suggesting the bike is anything but dead reliable. For me that was more than enough to pass, but i did demo one and i found i much preferred my speedmaster at the time ! I LOVED the torque. But you have to consider the big picture. I hated the R3 in many ways and loved nothing about it except the torque. On the other hand the Tbird was like a bike built specifically for me. You have to ask yourself....if both bikes made the same power which would you prefer and by how much? Then consider your answer, and if the answer is that u much prefer the tbird, then ask yourself if the torque of the R3 is worth giving all the rest up. In my case i only needed to ride the R3 or know about the issues to have my answer. Both those together would have made the Tbird a no brainer, but at the time it wasn't here yet. I decided i'd rather keep the speedmaster and if the Tbird came out and was what i hoped, THEN i'd give up the speedy. Turned out it was more than i'd hoped. The handling alone makes it a no brainer for me. I don't care what the R3 guys say about R3 handling, and they DO think it handles incredibly, but i don't. I think it's good for what it is but it won't compare to the bird IMO. It's your call, but theres my experience, hope it helps.

 
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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 19:09   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: daz)
 
Thanks Daz, that's very useful! Did you find that the Tbird felt slow since test riding the R3? See, either bike will be the most powerful bike I've owned, so I suspect the Tbird will feel incredibly torque-y to me compared to what I'm used to. But I'm slightly worried that I'll ruin that for myself if I test an R3 and experience the torque on that.

Still, I guess I need to get over that. Not testing a bike that would be a contender for purchasing is fairly ridiculous! I guess I'll try out both bikes (also a Victory bike and possibly the new Moto Guzzi California for comparison purposes) then get what feels right.

You're right though, all things being equal I'd rather have a belt drive over a shaft drive as I know that drive shafts can be expensive if they go wrong.

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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 19:11   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: loggamatt)
 
I have tested both the rocket Tourer and the roadster. I thought I would have problems with the bikes as I am only 5'10'' and weigh in around the same as a donkeys cock. I had no problems with either of them, loved them both. The speed, fast handling and also had no problem whatsoever with slow traffic/city handling. Its beauty is in its ugliness, it is in a class of its own and is a great piece of British engineering. I love the roadster, and my mate has just swapped his TBird for one.

Yes I would have one, but I like the TBird more.

They are a bit tricky in the tight twisties and effort is needed to make the tighter bends flow, unlike the the TBird which is just gagging for the next bend. On the subject of fuel, both my mate (R3 r/ster) and I (1700 TBird) fuelled up at the same time before a run from Derbyshire to Yorkshire. When near home I checked my 'miles to go' reading (77 miles to go) and it was exactly the same as his after 130 mile run. The R3 hold just 2 litres more than the TBird (GBP2.80) .

Give them both a good test and decide, My guess is that you go with the R3 because of your generous figure But there are some big dudes riding the TBird with no probs at all.

Good luck with whatever you get and be sure to come back and let us know.

 
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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 19:14   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: mat1600)
 
Plus no one will mistake your Rocket for a Harley.

 

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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 19:37   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: fishy)
 
I had an R3 for 8 years, sold it and bought a t-bird. I considered another Rocket but it really is more of a handful then the T-Bird, which is a lot more compact - I'm 5' 9" and 170 lbs. The weights are so similar that if either one of them was to fall over, it wouldn't make much difference. I had no problem handling the R3 at any speed. The T-Bird does not come close with respect to power but it handles better and fits me much better. I sold my R3 to a guy who was 6'4" and 220 lbs. The Rocket fit him perfectly! Now that the R3R has ABS brakes, that is a huge plus. If you can, test drive both. I would not miss out on the R3 experience if I were you. Whichever one you get, get it with the TOR mufflers.

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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 21:05   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: loggamatt)
 

loggamatt wrote:

Being male, I can't imagine I'll test ride two bikes then say to the dealer "I'll take the less powerful one please!"


I did lol. The Rocket was a blast but I couldnt get over the looks . For me there were too many little niggles . Filtering bothered me on the Rocket . The looks bothered me from time to time. The serious chewing up of tires bothered me. The speeding tickets bothered me . I got on the TBird after and I knew imeadiatly it was the bike for me . So I ordered it ...



 
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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 21:28   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: Druid)
 

Druid wrote:

loggamatt wrote:

Being male, I can't imagine I'll test ride two bikes then say to the dealer "I'll take the less powerful one please!"


I did lol. The Rocket was a blast but I couldnt get over the looks . For me there were too many little niggles . Filtering bothered me on the Rocket . The looks bothered me from time to time. The serious chewing up of tires bothered me. The speeding tickets bothered me . I got on the TBird after and I knew imeadiatly it was the bike for me . So I ordered it ...




So you had a Rocket and then bought a T-Bird. Understandable. If you hadn't had an R3 and you test drove both bikes today, which one would you buy?

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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 21:29   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: loggamatt)
 
do you want something that looks like a car engine on 2 wheels?
do you want a bike that looks great?

the roadster now comes derestricted so if its power then its the r3r (with its parts replacement costs lol)

if its a bit more all rounder your after its the tb

my advice is not to listen too much to what others say as we are all different

test ride both on as many of the types of roads you will usually encounter and you will know which one you want.

my brother just passed his test when he turned 40, never had a bike before and he was dead set on a harley. his instructor said buy a speedy and run it for a year before you go bigger. he loves the speedy so much its now part of him.
point is i suppose get a tbird first so you build up your skills and confidence and then consider the rocket.



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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 21:30   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: loggamatt)
 
The only way is to test them both, talk to your dealer and arrange two test rides on different days. On the first visit take the R3 out on a specific route and then take the bird on the same route straight after. On your second visit do the same but take the Bird out first. If you have a decent dealer and you are serious this should not be a problem and at least you will know.

 
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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 21:45   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: mjgt)
 
I went out and bought a Bonneville in April, 2004, so stoked I was to re-create the feeling of my 1970 TR6R. It was a super bike. While I was doing the paperwork, my dealer pointed to a picture of a Rocket and said you have to get that - the power is amazing. The thing looked like something out of Roger Rabbit. I said I didn't care about power, just nostalgia. So 6 months later, a demo R3 appears and I ride it, experienced "warp speed", sold the Bonnie within 2 weeks and ordered a Rocket.

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Posted : 26 May 2013 - 21:51   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: loggamatt)
 

loggamatt wrote:

Thanks Daz, that's very useful! Did you find that the Tbird felt slow since test riding the R3?


The stock 1600, hell yes. They are not real ballsy at all and i felt my modded speedmaster wasn't much below it. But then it broke in which made a big difference, then i got short tors which also did, then i got the 1700 kit and the speedy was no longer in the same league. Then i started messing with dizze's tunes. He posted 2, one for use with the cat converter on, one w/o. At the point i was running the catless tune with the cat removed off the bike it was powerful enough that the difference between it and the R3 wasn't enough to ever think of the R3 again. Still well under it, but it had that same twist the throttle and hold on for your life rush the R3 has and i would have ad to ride one again just to be sure it was indeed a lot more powerful even tho i knew it was. But you have to be ok with loud exhaust which i wasn't, so i'm back to the cat on the bike. But with the cat in place and dizze's 1st tune and tors i think you will feel the R3 is not necassary unless you just have to have the most power you can get. Even the stock 1700 with tors is plenty unless you just can't live w/o crazy power. But alas, these are just words and like u said u have to try them yourself. Just be sure that if the power makes you lean that way to consider whether it has longevity for you. I've had quicker bikes and crazy speed gets old fast. It's fun, but it doesn't make up for the rest. If you find the R3 not lacking in the rest, then thats your bike.



 
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Posted : 27 May 2013 - 00:14   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: loggamatt)
 

loggamatt wrote:

Tbird Storm

* Looks better (in my opinion)
* I imagine it sounds better (I like the deep thud-thud big twin sound)
* Easier to handle in slow traffic I suspect
* Fuel economy
* Insurance probably cheaper (as a new-ish rider living in Central London, my insurance costs will be epic either way!)
* Less of a mid-life crisis cliche than the R3!!

Rocket III Roadster

* Mmmmm.... torque
* Long distance comfort
* I imagine it would carry a larger weight... my girlfriend and I, both being extremely, uh, 'cuddly' are probably too big for 2-up riding. But I imagine we'd be closer to achieving it on the R3 (with some suspension upgrades) than we would on the Tbird.
* Lots of loverly torque!!!



A choice between a right decision and a right decision. For me the Storm won due to soundtrack and agility. But it was a close call. Might get a Roadster some day but the Storm is a keeper.

Good luck with either of these magnificent bikes.





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Posted : 27 May 2013 - 00:56   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: mat1600)
 

mat1600 wrote:

I am only 5'10'' and weigh in around the same as a donkeys cock.


And how were you able to compare that?



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Posted : 27 May 2013 - 06:29   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: MickeyBoy)
 

MickeyBoy wrote:

mat1600 wrote:

I am only 5'10'' and weigh in around the same as a donkeys cock.


And how were you able to compare that?



its not that he is the same size, shape and look, its just.....

.....never have sunday lunch there,

he tells me if they ever have extra guests they just stroke the roast a few times

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Posted : 27 May 2013 - 14:46   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: zolti)
 
Mate you have to go and try them both , there both excellent bikes , i owned one of each and decided that they were to similar so one had to go ,, I chose to keep the rocket , at the time i often thought i had made a mistake , because it was a big bike and i'm a short arse but now its a different story i'm used to it and comfortable with it and find it fantastic ,

Regards tyres i get about 9-10000 klm out of a front and about 7-8 thousand out of a back ,, same has my t bird

Slow speed manouverse i can now handle it just has easy has the t bird , but it took me a while to get confident ,

Mileage slightly down on the t bird , but the power makes up ..

Now the one that may suprise you is the twisties , Once you are used to it, and can handle it ,the rocket can and will do ANYTHING, you can throw at it , i can carve the twisties up quicker on the rocket than i could ever do on the t bird , all down to clearance , i don't scrape the rocket pegs , i did all the time on the t bird , my mate has a sprint and he is amazed how i keep up in the twisties and in fact mostly leave him , its like i tell him we go in the corners at the same speed but i come out a lot quicker ..

For me city riding , i don't like it on the rocket its too big , so i go on my bonneville if city riding is called for .

I have always said the rocket is a big bike for a big bloke , if your 5'7" like me well it takes some getting used too .

Go have a go on both bikes there both good bikes , I'm lucky i have a t100 to compilment my rocket , but if i was to only have one bike then i would //wil look at another t bird or maybee a triumph trophy after they get rid of there first year quirks

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Posted : 27 May 2013 - 17:55   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: coneye)
 
Dont get me wrong if I could justify two bikes Id have a roadster too. The TBird for me just does everything admirably. Actually if I could justify 3 bikes Id have the TBird the Roadster and a street triple . Oh and Id quite like a Vrod too , oh and one of those new Norton Commando's (the black and gold one) .

 
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Posted : 28 May 2013 - 04:15   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: loggamatt)
 
As far as power goes, I've never had any machine that, regardless of power didn't bore me within 3 weeks of experiencing it's blessing. I read once that even formula one drivers returning from the off season go from being scared $hitless to "it could use a bit more power" within just a couple of hours practice time. The thunderbird will definitely be a better handler and all around machine. It is smallish for a cruiser so make sure you can be comfy at 6'3", although I'm sure there are many options for taller types. For a motorcycle to please me it has to have what I like to call that "magic carpet ride" feeling. Acceleration is only a part of the equation. The thunderbird does something that makes me smile practically every time I take it out. As a fairly new rider, you are still discovering what does that for you, and what's more, these needs will change as time goes by. Test ride them both if you can and see which moves you more. You wont go wrong either way though. Don't just go by torque though - Ive made that mistake - it really does get old fast.

 
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Posted : 28 May 2013 - 10:16   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: edbob)
 

Was out for a ride today , stopped at the garage and this guy pulled in on a t bird , first thing that struck me was his size , it made me think of this thread , the guy was massive , i asked him he was 6'5" and around 18 stone he said .

Anyway the bike looked like it was stuck up his arse , he sat on mine and it looked like a perfect fit .. mind you he said the rocket looked to big for me , I had to agree

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Posted : 28 May 2013 - 13:06   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: Druid)
 

Druid wrote:

Actually if I could justify 3 bikes Id have the TBird the Roadster and a street triple . Oh and Id quite like a Vrod too , oh and one of those new Norton Commando's (the black and gold one) .


Yes, but I'd leave the VRod alone as I have ridden one. Nice looking bike and the best HD motor in my humble opinion but riding possition was awful for me. My mate has one and it fits him like a glove.

My stable of choice is Storm, Roadster, Bobbed Speedmaster and a Norton Commando and I am exactly half way there.



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Posted : 28 May 2013 - 18:47   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: coneye)
 
I had my T-Bird parked next to a Road King and they looked the same. The Heritage Soft Tail is the same size as a T-Bird. There's a picture on one of the forums of a Rocket side by side with a T-Bird. The Rocket is wider and higher, and longer. A lot of this is due to the engine, tank and rear wheel but with all of that, it's only 50 lbs heavier, at most.

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Posted : 01 Jun 2013 - 14:30   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: Dougl)
 
Dougl wrote:

but with all of that, it's only 50 lbs heavier, at most.


Believe it or not the R-III Classic weighs less that a T-bird. It weighs in at 737 lbs. or something like that and the Bird is 750lbs.
I know a guy that had a R-III t and most could not keep up with him on the curves (or flats) and that was with a CT on the rear.

I always thought I wanted a R-III and even rode the R-III and also a Storm at a demo truck day(one of the last). It finally came down to the looks. I had a half an hour wait or so to test ride a T-bird in April of 2010. Both bikes were just setting in front of me side by side as I sat outside waiting for the sales person to get his act together to let me have a ride. I thought God the R-III is ugly and the Bird is sleek and pretty. It was kind of like beauty and the beast. That's what sold it for me plus the fact the Bird felt more modern with 6 speed gear box, self canceling turn signals etc. If the dealer will let you take both bikes out for a very long time, do it. I got a 10 minute ride with sales person supervision on a Victory.



 
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Posted : 01 Jun 2013 - 20:55   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: PES)
 
I had a standard r3 and find it hard to believe that my bird is heavier.

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 mat1600 
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Posted : 01 Jun 2013 - 21:56   Post title : Re: Tbird Storm Vs Rocket III (Re: Dougl)
 

Dougl wrote:

I had a standard r3 and find it hard to believe that my bird is heavier.


R3 touring is 869, the Roadster is 807 and the TBird 1600/Storm is 746.

 
My first natural instinct is to breathe. My second is to evade tax's.


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